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		<title>Signs and wonders: Better CEIAG</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2022 11:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>What is CEIAG and how does know what it is help us improve it?</p>
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<p><strong><em>The Education Select Committee has launched an inquiry into CEIAG – Careers Education, Information, Advice and Guidance – and issued a call for evidence to which <a href="https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/107283/pdf/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">I submitted a few thoughts</a>.</em></strong></p>



<p>Among the many points I made, there were two that I thought might be worth blogging about. Firstly what do we actually mean by CEIAG? Secondly, what does that tell us about professional careers practitioners?  </p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading">What is CEIAG?</h4>



<p>It&#8217;s worth drawing a distinction between the components of&nbsp;CEIAG and why it is necessary to consider them separately as well as together.&nbsp;</p>



<p><strong>Careers education&nbsp;</strong>is education about careers, ie. learning about the different ways people make a living, what those different careers involve and some of the pathways that people take into and through careers. Ideally, careers education also involves learning about employability (those attributes that mean an employee can add value to an employer), how to acquire it and how to demonstrate it to a potential employer.&nbsp;</p>



<p><strong>Careers information</strong>&nbsp;is factual. It may be data (for example, labour market information) or it may be other factual information, but generally, it is largely uncontentious (if soundly derived) and lacks context. One analogy I often use is to say that if I say “beer in this pub is £2 a pint”, I am providing you with information. In isolation, information is not very helpful to the person at the receiving end.</p>



<p><strong>Careers advice</strong>&nbsp;puts information into context, making it potentially useful to any person who happens to receive it. To use the same analogy, it would be <em>advice</em> to say that “the average price of beer is £2.40/pint, so this pub is relatively cheap”. Good advice is true in a general sense, even though it is insensitive to any individual’s perspective.&nbsp;</p>



<p><strong>Careers guidance</strong>, however, is personalised and starts with the individual and their hopes, opportunities and needs. For example, it is guidance to ask, “Are you thirsty? Do you like beer? How much can you afford? What are your alternatives?”&nbsp;</p>



<p>I find this a useful distinction because it helps us understand how best to deliver the component parts of CEIAG. Careers support should not stop at CEIAG though. Beyond those components we should not overlook the potential role of mentoring, behavioural/mindset support and practical help (such as funding for trips and open days or clothes appropriate for work experience, etc).</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Careers physicians</h4>



<p>Of the four components of CEIAG, guidance is the most useful to the individual, but the hardest to deliver and largely redundant without the other three. Guidance requires knowledge, skills and contact (albeit sometimes virtually) with the person being guided. A careers guidance practitioner bears enormous responsibility because it is their role to draw aspirations out of their client and frame them in the context of opportunities. </p>



<p>I often find myself drawing comparisons between professional careers practitioners and doctors. </p>



<p>A doctor uses their training, experience and expertise to diagnose someone’s needs and prescribe treatment with the selfless aim of relieving suffering and improving the patient&#8217;s quality of life. </p>



<p>A careers practitioner uses their training, experience and expertise to diagnose someone’s needs and provide guidance with the selfless aim of giving their client self-agency and improving their quality of life.</p>



<p>Like medicine, careers guidance has become an evidence-based, theory-driven profession equipped with sophisticated tools and, given the almost Hippocratic responsibility, careers guidance should never be entrusted to anyone who is not adequately trained to do it responsibly, knowledgeably and professionally. The Government should require anyone working in a publicly funded role as a careers practitioner to be on <a href="https://www.thecdi.net/Professional-Register-">the CDI Professional Register</a>.</p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading">Speaking plainly</h4>



<p>Another parallel with medicine is that careers policy seems to get bogged down in jargon easily. Many professions do this – law, academia, the armed forces – develop a jargon to signal to those on the outside that there is a guarded gateway through which only the cognoscenti may pass.&nbsp;</p>



<p>In the case of careers practitioners, it may be something to do with a defensiveness against the kind of dismissive attitude that they often face and which <a href="https://johnnyrich.com/why-do-we-undervalue-careers-advisers/" data-type="post" data-id="1019">I&#8217;ve written about before</a>.</p>



<p>So, in my submission to the Select Committee, I&nbsp;made&nbsp;a point of writing plainly.</p>



<p>The problem of inadequate CEIAG contributes to huge policy issues: low productivity, social and regional inequality, and the opportunities of individuals to live fulfilled lives. Yet the solutions – or at least the principles behind them are not that complex and don&#8217;t need to be wrapped in gate-keeping language.</p>



<p>After all, the MPs on the&nbsp;Committee – boundless in their wisdom though I&#8217;m sure they are – are not inside the gateway.</p>



<p>Nor am I. I have no qualifications in careers practice and, by my own strictures, I should definitely not be allowed to deliver careers guidance. However, I have worked in awe alongside careers professionals; I have delivered careers education, information and advice for many years; and I have read and researched widely.</p>



<p>Some of the most useful research – for me – has not been the research on careers itself, but the wealth of behavioural science research that has been published in recent decades. This developing understanding gives us a fresh perspective on how humans do that difficult thing of making decisions. By understanding that, we get a whole new window on how to improve CEIAG to promote informed choices. </p>



<p>If anything I&#8217;ve written here has piqued your interest, I do hope you&#8217;ll feel it&#8217;s worth reading my submission in full –&nbsp;I will post it here when the Committee has reviewed it. (Until then, I am not supposed to put it in the public domain.) </p>



<h4 class="wp-block-heading">UPDATE 30/6/2022</h4>



<p>The Select Committee has now published the evidence it received and so, <a href="https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/107283/pdf/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">I can now share my submission</a>. </p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Drawing on my piece for HEPI, I explain why the National Student Survey shouldn't change and why – and how – it should.</p>
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<p>The Higher Education Policy Institute has kindly published <a href="https://www.hepi.ac.uk/2021/04/19/the-true-potential-of-a-national-student-survey/">an article I wrote on the interim plans for reform of the National Student Survey</a>. </p>
<p>The proposed changes are contained in <a href="https://www.officeforstudents.org.uk/media/b6ad8f44-f532-4b55-aa32-7193497ddf92/nss-review-phase-1-report.pdf">the OfS&#8217;s Phase 1 Report of its NSS Review</a> which was sparked by a somewhat untoward statement by the DfE last year that the NSS was responsible for &#8220;<a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reducing-bureaucratic-burdens-higher-education/reducing-bureaucratic-burdens-on-research-innovation-and-higher-education#the-office-for-students-and-dfe">dumbing down standards</a>&#8220;. No evidence for this claim was offered and it was exactly the opposite of&#8230; well, everything that they and predecessor governments had ever previously said about NSS&#8217;s role in enhancing the quality of higher education.</p>
<p>Indeed, the credibility afforded to the NSS previously meant that it was a key metric used in the TEF (the Teaching Excellence Framework, as it then was, now called &#8216;the Teaching Excellence and Student Outcomes Framework&#8217;).  Its weighing as part of TEF was downgraded, however, when student opposition to the exercise led to widespread boycotting of the survey.</p>
<p>The main reason the government has gone sour on the NSS though seems to me to be that it doesn&#8217;t endorse their political narrative about higher education – or, even if it does, the signal is too noisy, too <em>nuancy</em>. For example, NSS doesn&#8217;t say that the only good education is one that results in a job. It doesn&#8217;t say that our universities are all world-beating while at the same time managing also to say that they&#8217;re full of woke academics and snowflake students. And it fails woefully to confirm that traditional redbrick and Russell Group unis are better than jumped-up polys. </p>
<p>Indeed, the university with the strongest record of performance in the NSS since its inception is – wait for it – the Open University. What should we make of that? There are multiple explanations for its NSS success, not least the fact that the survey is taken as students approach graduation and for OU students, that&#8217;s likely to have been a long, hard slog of many years, involving considerable commitment and sacrifice. Anyone who wasn&#8217;t going to give a good report will probably have fallen by the wayside by that point or at the very least will be convincing themselves that it was all worth it after all. Another explanation is that the OU does an amazing job for its students far exceeding their expectations and therefore yielding high satisfaction. </p>
<p>What it doesn&#8217;t tell us is anything absolute. No wonder the government has lost interest in the NSS – it doesn&#8217;t tell them anything clearly or that&#8217;s politically helpful and even what it does tell them is not what they wanted to hear.</p>
<p>By chance, the DfE does happen to be right that the NSS needs reforming. It&#8217;s just it&#8217;s not for the reasons they imagine. <a href="https://www.hepi.ac.uk/2021/04/19/the-true-potential-of-a-national-student-survey/">As my HEPI article explains</a>, the problems lie in (i) imagining that NSS can ever be about informing prospective students helpfully, (ii) the snapshot data dip process of a survey and (iii) the over-emphasis on satisfaction as a measure of quality when it is in fact a function of expectation compared to delivery. </p>
<p>The reform needed is to shift to a longitudinal national survey of student <em>engagement</em> that tracks shifting patterns throughout a student&#8217;s time at university. Engagement has been shown to be an indicative precursor of positive learning outcomes. If you can show that a student has been effectively engaged throughout their studies, you&#8217;ve got a good indicator of effective education.</p>
<p>Satisfaction measures are poor proxies that will never tell you much and will always be too easily gamed or misinterpreted. They do not, however, dumb down anything that wasn&#8217;t dumb already. </p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2021 21:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Data presented by UCAS's Chief Executive Clare Marchant shows starkly the correlation between clearing and drop-out...</p>
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<p><strong>This slide, presented by UCAS&#8217;s Chief Executive Clare Marchant at a recent event hosted by <a href="http://wonkhe.com">Wonkhe</a> on higher education admissions, shows starkly the correlation between clearing and drop-out that I have been banging on about since the 1990s.</strong></p>



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<div>In actual fact, it doesn&#8217;t quite show that.</div>
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<div>What it does show is a clear link between those students who drop-out and those students who arrive at university specifically through the &#8216;direct to clearing&#8217; (DTC) route. This is an unusual pathway, often used by students other than your typical decent-grades-18-year-old school-leaver. So there would be nothing surprising if their outcomes in terms of drop-out weren&#8217;t the same as other students. In other words, it is conceivable that the correlation between clearing and drop-out is peculiar to (or more pronounced among) DTC applicants.</div>
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<div>I don&#8217;t think so and I have good evidence for thinking otherwise. For several years around the turn of the millennium, Push published data showing that what we called &#8216;flunk rates&#8217; (the percentage who drop-out or fail) and the proportion of students that each HEI admitted through clearing (using data that the universities themselves supplied). The two datasets had a correlation coefficient of 0.91 – in other words, they were close to identical lists.</div>


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<div>The media was understandably very interested and&nbsp;I did the media rounds trying to let the figures speak for themselves.</div>
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<div>Most universities, even those who had provided their clearing data to Push, dismissed or denied any meaningful link. There were some notable exceptions – vice-chancellors who, rather than blame the messenger, recognised that there may be a problem here.&nbsp;</div>


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<div>All I was trying to say was that the data suggested that hasty choices might lead to regret and students without their hoped-for grades should be cautious if looking for clearing options and should consider reapplying instead. </div>


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<div>Meanwhile, UCAS itself was also disputing the connection, promoting the line that clearing was the best way to get a university place if you hadn&#8217;t made your grades. To be fair, they were relying on data that was even less complete than mine.</div>



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<div>Push had surveyed the universities themselves, asking them to self-declare the proportion accepted through clearing. Around two-thirds responded and the numbers that were being reported to us were, on average about 75% higher than UCAS&#8217;s data suggested. Bearing in mind that one might imagine that those universities with the highest clearing rates might be the least likely to share their data, it appeared that the official clearing process was recording perhaps less than half the numbers accepted through that route.</div>
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<div>What&#8217;s more, the proportion entering through clearing appears to have grown since then (as student numbers have continued to rise), although even that growth may merely be the true scale of clearing being more accurately recorded. Even now though, there is what Mark Corver (<a href="https://datahe.uk">DataHE</a>&#8216;s admissions number-cruncher extraordinaire) calls <a href="https://wonkhe.com/blogs/the-thickening-fog-of-the-ucas-rpas/">a &#8220;twilight zone of UCAS data&#8221;</a> – the RPAs or &#8216;record of prior acceptance&#8217; students – and that number is also growing. If the number of students entering through clearing really is rising, it may mean the proportion of students who end up dropping out will rise too.</div>



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<div>At this point, let me make it absolutely clear: correlation is not causation and I&#8217;m not claiming it is.</div>



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<div>It is perfectly possible that arriving through clearing is not the reason why students drop out. Indeed, I&#8217;d go so far as to say that, even if it is <em>a</em> reason, it is not the only one. Maybe, for example, clearing gets you into universities whose drop-out rate is higher for an unrelated reason; maybe those who more likely to drop-out are more likely to opt to enter through clearing; or maybe clearing and drop-out share a separate unconnected cause, such as being less well advised.</div>



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<div>That said, it didn&#8217;t take a genius to see that rash choices were being made by students and universities alike and that there were (and still are) a lot of poor matches arising from the chaos of clearing.&nbsp;</div>



<div>This has really important repercussions as we consider switching to a system of post-qualifications admissions (PQA).</div>



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<div>Drop-out is only ever the tip of the iceberg. Most students battle on regardless. After all, let&#8217;s remember what drop-out means: you&#8217;ve got the student debts, you&#8217;ve probably blown your chance of being state-funded throughout a degree, and yet you&#8217;ve got nothing to show for it. Worse that that, you have a black hole in your CV which employers might (unfairly) look on as a mark of failure. &nbsp;</div>



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<div>Behind the drop-out data, there are thousands of stories of hopes shattered and opportunities dashed. And for every person that drops out, there are many more for whom higher education has been so much less than it could or should have been.&nbsp;</div>



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<div>That&#8217;s why the admissions system must deliver good matches between students and unis.</div>



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<div>It is also why the Department for Education&#8217;s unequivocal support for PQA is ill-thought out. The last time the government was beguiled into thinking PQA was a good idea (in 2011), at least they had the sense to announce an investigation first rather than preempting any consideration of the practicalities. This time, the Secretary of State announced a consultation would be launched in advance of the introduction of PQA (betraying either a misunderstanding or contempt for the point of consultations). &nbsp;</div>



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<div>PQA does look very attractive in principle because it is assumed to mean an end to predicted grades and clearing.&nbsp;&nbsp;However, in practice it probably means an end to neither – and, while failing to make anything better, it might make other matters far worse. &nbsp;&nbsp;</div>



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<div>Teachers would still need to use predicted grades to &#8216;guide&#8217; students to consider applying to HEIs that might accept them – which would need to be done in advance of actual grades so that students could visit them in order to make an informed choice. &nbsp;</div>



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<div>While that means HEIs would not be using predictions to make offers, students would still be using them to make applications. The supposed unfairness and lack of reliability of predictions would still be a big factor, but they&#8217;d be even less transparent and harder to mitigate. In any case, as <a href="https://www.hepi.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Where-next-for-university-admissions_Hepi-Report-136_FINAL2.pdf">Mark Corver (again) has effectively argued</a>, predicted grades are perhaps no less imperfect that actual grades and any bias may not be quite as <a href="https://www.ucu.org.uk/media/8409/Predicted-grades-accuracy-and-impact-Dec-16/pdf/Predicted_grades_report_Dec2016.pdf">Gill Wyness</a>, among others, has argued.</div>



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<div>Furthermore, unless you shift the date that grades are published and/or the academic year start by months, you&#8217;d be compressing application activity into a matter of a few weeks. In other words, rather than no clearing, <em>everyone</em> would be in clearing. </div>



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<div>Not only would clearing have to sort about eight times as many applicants, but they would have to go through the whole application system without the support and guidance of their schools and colleges which, by then, the students would have left.</div>



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<div>There are ways that PQA could be made to work&nbsp;(I&#8217;ve&nbsp;<a href="https://johnnyrich.com/why-pqa-should-not-be-pdq">written on this blog</a> about this), but, unsurprisingly, it&#8217;s neither as simple nor as attractive as Gavin Williamson&#8217;s announcement seemed to assume it to be. It would take more far more fundamental and far-reaching changes to post-16 education. (We can chalk this up to the long list of reasons why radical reform might be a good idea, even though no government is ever likely to grasp those nettles and use them to make nettle pyjamas.)</div>



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<div>DfE imagines that what needs fixing about admissions is the unconditional offers and unreliability of predictions. In fact, the more serious problems are those connected with poor choices about what and where to study. These build  higher hidden hurdles for the disadvantaged. All applicants need to be able to make well informed, supported choices over time.</div>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>There is plenty of research showing a significant earnings premium on average for graduates regardless of background. Probably the most comprehensive work is the paper by the IFS &#8216;How English domiciled graduate earnings vary with gender, institution attended, subject and socio-economic background&#8217;.&#160;The Sutton Trust has also done many excellent studies on different aspects of this question which is actually a lot more complex than it sounds.</p>
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<p>Back in August, a teacher drew my attention to the following tweet and asked if I might be able to answer it:</p>
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<p dir="ltr" lang="en">Can anybody point me to research regarding outcomes in later life for disadvantaged students who go to university vs. disadvantaged students who don’t? <a href="https://t.co/BiYatOdKMh">https://t.co/BiYatOdKMh</a></p>
— Mr Pink (@Positivteacha) <a href="https://twitter.com/Positivteacha/status/1156799855924338689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<p>The tweet was from Matt Pinkett (<a href="https://twitter.com/Positivteacha">@PositivTeacha</a>), teacher, <a href="https://allearssite.wordpress.com">blogger</a> and author of <a href="https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0815350252/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_EhKPDbQ9KZS52"><em>Boys don&#8217;t try? Rethinking masculinity in schools</em></a>.</p>
<p>My thread of tweets in response sparked a correspondence between us and, in the end, Matt was kind enough to say I had challenged his whole perspective. He suggested others might be interested too and I should publish some of my thoughts on the topic. </p>
<p>So, in the first of two blogs (<a href="https://johnnyrich.com/should-uni-be-an-aspiration-or-a-failsafe">here&#8217;s the second</a>), here&#8217;s how I responded to his initial question&#8230; </p>



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<p>There is plenty of research showing a significant earnings premium on average for graduates regardless of background. Probably the most comprehensive work is the paper by the IFS <a href="https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/8233">&#8216;How English domiciled graduate earnings vary with gender, institution attended, subject and socio-economic background&#8217;</a>.&nbsp;<a href="https://www.suttontrust.com">The Sutton Trust</a> has also done many excellent studies on different aspects of this question which is actually a lot more complex than it sounds.</p>



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<div class="col-12 col-md-4">The research shows that the graduate premium for those from disadvantaged backgrounds is indeed smaller than for those from more affluent families, but it is very hard to unpick this from other factors.</div>
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<div id="tweet_4" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">Disadvantaged students are more likely to have lower grades on entry to higher education. (As a result) they’re less likely to go to highly selective universities. They’re more likely to do ‘vocational’ courses, imagining that – being supposedly directly work-related – those courses have better employment outcomes. However, unless they&#8217;re for a specific route, it’s arguable.</div>
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<div id="tweet_5" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">Disadvantaged students are more likely to have part-time jobs while studying, which are less likely to be career-related. Obviously this is their about financial survival, but it has an affect on studies and general well-being. They’re less likely to engage in co-curricular activities at uni that boost employability, probably because of pressures of time and money, and because of previous habits developed through a lack of opportunities.</div>
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<div id="tweet_8" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">There are also intersections between disadvantaged students and ethnicity, age, disability etc – and each of these characteristics has its own set of impacts on the graduates&#8217; employment outcomes.</div>
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<div id="tweet_9" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">The IFS study and others highlight very significant differences in the salary premium from some courses and institutions. Some courses at some unis even have a negative premium, ie. those graduates earn less than non-graduates on average.</div>
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<div class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">They, however, are the exception and beware jumping to conclusions. That small set of courses with negative premiums tend to be in parts of the country where earnings are low anyway. Those grads are probably earning more than non-graduates in the area.</div>
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<div id="tweet_11" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">The unis where those courses are based also usually have a larger proportion of disadvantaged, local &amp; mature students, so hard to say whether it’s the course that’s not getting them a premium or other factors. They may have a big premium compared to what those individuals might have earned otherwise had they not gone to university.</div>
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<div id="tweet_12" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">Imagine a poorer student in poor area whose choice is not to go to university and take whatever work they can get, or go to university after which, if they stay local, they&#8217;re still likely to earn less than non-graduates in London, but they will earn more than they would have and they be doing a more rewarding job with better prospects.</div>
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<div id="tweet_13" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">That’s another important point: what does a good outcome look like? Are we just talking about bigger salaries? Some people would rather be nurses than bankers. <br><small></small></div>
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<div id="tweet_15" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">There are ways of achieving similar outcomes without the cost of uni: degree apprenticeships have been touted as a great opportunity for disadvantaged students to get a degree and work experience without debts. They haven’t been going long enough to see the outcomes yet and evidence suggests it’s not disadvantaged students taking up those opportunities yet anyway.</div>
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<div id="tweet_17" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">In summary, the research shows disadvantaged students <em><strong>do</strong></em> gain hugely from higher education in terms of salary, living standards and happiness. For many it is the only real opportunity for transformation. But higher education alone does not wipe out society’s inequalities.</div>
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<div id="tweet_18" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">I would never advise any disadvantaged young person not to go to uni if they think they might gain from it, nor would I pressure someone if they can’t see the point for themselves. Maybe they will one day and, I hope, the opportunity will still be there.</div>
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<div id="tweet_19" class="content-tweet allow-preview" dir="auto">If you&#8217;re interested in this topic, please see my second blog in this series: <a href="https://johnnyrich.com/should-uni-be-an-aspiration-or-a-failsafe">&#8216;Should uni be an aspiration – or a &#8216;failsafe&#8217;?&#8217;</a>.</div>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Which is the best university? It’s a seductive question to ask, but that doesn’t mean there’s a sensible answer. League tables, aka rankings, is the nonsensical answer you’re likely to get.</p>
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<p><em>This article first appeared on the <strong><a href="https://wonkhe.com/blogs/tef-wont-sweeten-my-rankings-rancour/">Wonkhe website</a></strong> (8th April 2018) under the heading &#8216;TEF won’t sweeten my rankings rancour&#8217;.</em></p>



<p>Which is the best university? It’s a seductive question to ask, but that doesn’t mean there’s a sensible answer. League tables, aka rankings, is the nonsensical answer you’re likely to get.</p>



<p>They weigh the wrong factors –&nbsp;a very narrow idea of best, based on counting what’s measured rather than measuring what counts. Traditionally, this has led to a dominance of rankings by research-led institutions.</p>



<p><em>But even if</em> the factors weighed were the right ones, the rankings use poor proxies to measure them –&nbsp;as if research citations, for example, were an unambiguous marker of quality, rather than being hugely dependent on publication in English, in the right journals and in the right disciplines.</p>



<p><em>But even if </em>they were the right proxies, the data is often of poor quality: out of date, non-comparative, self-reported.</p>



<p><em>But even if</em> the data were good, what rankers do with it isn’t: aggregating and weighting arbitrarily.</p>



<p><em>But even if</em> the methodology were sound, the way the results are presented suggests an equal distance between say, first and thirty-first place as between fortieth and seventieth. Anyone who has ever seen a bell curve knows that is misrepresentation.</p>



<p><em>But even if </em>league tables didn’t make all these mistakes and more, their worst crime is to imagine that there is such a thing as a single best university, rather than many different ways in which universities can be good at different things. Indeed, it is the very diversity of the higher education sector that is its strength. It means the sector as a whole can paint a rainbow of objectives catering to the divergent needs of particular students, communities, employers, economies and societies.</p>



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<p>You can’t ban league tables, sadly. If we want information about higher education to be transparent, then there are those who will put it in a pop chart. That will attract attention, because offering an answer to that “best university” question is sexy.</p>



<p>The answer might not be to have fewer league tables, but instead to have more: an infinity of rankings so that each person can pick the one that combines just the factors they want, weighted perfectly to their needs. No ranking would be authoritative, because the array would reflect the personal and diverse nature of the question.</p>



<p>THE’s latest rankings product (its Global Impact Ranking) is a step in the direction of infinity in that it adds another league table to the shop window, incrementally diminishing the value of the ever-increasing heap.</p>



<p>However, perhaps we should welcome the desire to rate universities according to criteria such as recycling, fair labour practice and admissions policies, even if the process is as flawed as all the others? After all, the sexiness of rankings does shine a light on issues that might get overlooked (especially when the desire to do well in other rankings distracts universities from considering what else matters).</p>



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<p>That was explicitly the government’s intention when it introduced its own form of ranking –&nbsp;the Teaching Excellence Framework (TEF), which the then-minister Jo Johnson&nbsp;<a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/higher-education-fulfilling-our-potential">said</a>&nbsp;would “introduce new incentives for universities to focus on teaching”. The idea was to rank universities’ teaching quality to get them to improve it and to drive student choice based on quality.</p>



<p>The problem is that TEF repeats the mistakes of other rankings. It weighs the wrong factors: the metrics (as was later acknowledged with the change of the name to include student outcomes) have little to do with teaching. It uses poor proxies, such as measuring employment not employability. The data is poor: the NSS component was downgraded after an NUS boycott undermined it. The methodology is arbitrary: for example, benchmarking by disciplines, but not regions.</p>



<p>The list goes on, but TEF is unlike other rankings in at least three respects. First, being the government’s own ranking, TEF bears more responsibility than most. It purports to be a truer truth&nbsp;– an authority that it hasn’t earned.</p>



<p>Second, most league tables – even though they are rarely entirely open about their methodology – do tend to stick to it. TEF, however, recognises the failings of its metric methodology and adds a subjective element: the review panel. &nbsp;It may be the best part of TEF, but it’s the least transparent and most susceptible to inconsistency.</p>



<p>Third, most league tables’ misrepresentation is a single hierarchical list. TEF retains the hierarchy, but shrinks distinctions to three categories: good (bronze), better (silver) and best (gold). This, of course, creates a cliff edge where a fine judgement between silver and bronze, say, translates into a presentational gulf.</p>



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<p>Interestingly, there is no “mediocre” or “bad” in this hierarchy, but that’s not how students see it.&nbsp;<a href="https://wonkhe.com/blogs/is-tef-making-a-difference-in-early-indications-of-applicant-interest/">Bronze is no one’s idea of an endorsement</a>. This highlights an absolutely critical issue about rankings – TEF included –&nbsp;which would be the case even if they were more rigorous in their approach: how do they inform student choice?</p>



<p>Human choices are rarely rational. They emerge from a soup of feelings and preconceptions, sprinkled with croutons of information fried in confirmation bias. When it comes to a complex decisions, such as which university to choose, we don’t devise a personal list of criteria, sourcing objective data on each, and then coolly and fairly appraising the options relatively. Instead we latch on to something that provides a basis for beliefs we already hold.</p>



<p>In other words, we use heuristics: rules of thumb that often bear little resemblance to nuanced realities, but which hurt our brains less. This is precisely the quality about league tables that makes them so sexy. They say, don’t you worry your head about the real differences between two institutions that are both good in their own way, we’ve made the whole process simpler. Misleading, but simpler.</p>



<p>The same is true of TEF. Rather than providing information that disrupts misplaced beliefs and encouraging students to examine what kind of educational experience will support their own learning, TEF short-circuits the thinking and provides a yes/no/maybe checklist.</p>



<p>The Government was right to shine a light on teaching (well, on learning), but not the seedy neon beam of TEF. There are&nbsp;<a href="https://wonkhe.com/blogs/wonkhe-presents-visions-for-the-alternitef/">other approaches</a>&nbsp;and, as Dame Shirley Pearce proceeds with her review of TEF, I hope she will think boldly about options that promote diversity and innovation rather than aping league tables that suppose there is a single model of “good” and which play blind darts to see who gets closest.</p>
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